Robbie Kramer: How to Sleep With Playboy Models

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2:45 He is a guy who is currently sleeping with a wide variety of Playboy models. Yep, you heard that right, Playboy models. I interviewed him about five months ago. I wanted to go ahead and record a new introduction for this interview because he is that good. So you guys, I'm excited to introduce you to my friend, to the guy who is living the life that both you and I would really love to live, Robbie Kramer. I looked at your Instagram, and it's basically nines and tens, and like 20 nines and tens, and then you, your head poking out the middle of a bunch of tits and boobs and asses, right?

3:23 And there's your face. Good old Robbie. Yeah, it's been pretty ridiculous. 2018 was like the craziest year of my life. Yeah. You know, prior to that, I had done a ton of shit. I had, you know, dated models, and we were even involved in running model houses in LA, New York, and Miami. I had done, you know, probably 10,000 approaches in my day, you know, day game, night game, trained with all the different, you know, dating seduction guys around the world, and coached, you know, hundreds of students over the years.

3:58 But in 2018, after all my travels and just, you know, cruising around the world looking for the best places to meet women, really, I ended up in Kiev, Ukraine. And just randomly through partying and connections, I met a guy who was actually doing things, like, on a crazier level than anyone else I'd ever met when it came to social circle stuff. And basically what he'd built is an insane funnel of women through using the Playboy brand. You know, he acquired rights to shoot the Playboy calendar of Eastern Europe.

4:42 And to shoot the calendar, he would have castings to see, you know, which girls could be in the shoots. And then they would need an exotic location for the shoots. So he'd pick somewhere like the Maldives, or, you know, they'd rent a boat somewhere in the Mediterranean or south of France, and they'd have these crazy Playboy shoots. And it would be just himself, the photographers, and he might bring a buddy or two. And it would be, you know, 18 girls on a deserted island and, like, three or four guys.

5:16 And you could imagine, like, the sort of crazy shit that went down. So he invited me to his birthday party, which wasn't an official shoot. But the party ended up being 30 guys and 100 girls, just all friends of his that he had met over the years through Playboy and through his other ventures. And it was just the most insane party ever, as you could imagine, right? It was at a – he rented out, like, a resort spa in southwestern Ukraine in the mountains. And he had all the logistics of this party down to a science, even to the point where, you know, he invited a group of, like, trombone players.

6:00 He invited a band, right? But he had the foresight to not allow the band to even stay at the same hotel because he didn't want the band guys to be snaking all the girls. So he's like, oh, hey, the band's here. And as soon as they're done, oh, sorry, boys, leave the party. You're staying at a different hotel. Yeah. Right? Like, the logistical sort of planning that goes in to having a huge event like that or even a smaller event, you know, where it's maybe 25 people, right, where you've got 20 girls and eight guys or something like that.

6:41 Like, it's insanely important to control the environment to make sure you have that really good ratio. Because what happens in the U.S., if you go to a bar or a club, you never find even a one-to-one ratio. Like, if a club or a party is even a two-to-one ratio of girls to guys, you know, there's always more guys. Always. Yeah. Just because, you know, typically when a party situation arises, what happens is guys always want to party, right? Girls are a little bit more fickle about it, and if they're – if they don't – unless another girl brings them, you know, they're not as gung-ho.

7:20 You just kind of get into, like, the partying economics. So – and guys will usually, you know, be kind of clueless, and they'll bring an extra guy friend. You know, I always say if you're a guy and you're invited to a party and you come empty-handed, you're an asshole. But first of all, you should – no matter what, you should do everything in your power to bring girls. And if you can't bring girls, bring a shitload of party favors or bring a shitload of alcohol because otherwise you'll just be dead weight and a waste to the host.

7:52 And what typically guys will do is they'll bring nothing, and then they'll bring their guy friend too. Yeah, that's a good point, man. I can think of many such instances, yeah. Yeah, and, you know, if you're the host of the party and it's your boy, you're not going to be a dick and say, okay, man, sorry, you got to leave, right? Yeah. But this is how most parties are ruined, most house parties. And obviously just, you know, as you go out later in the night, the field of women tends to decrease.

8:22 You know, they go to bed earlier, guys get more drunk and more horny. So the ratios at after parties usually are terrible. So anyways, this guy was a huge proponent of making sure he had a huge girl-to-guy ratio because what happens when you have more girls is girls are great at interacting. They're more social. So they can interact with other girls and usually have a really good time because there's not a bunch of thirsty guys lurking around trying to hit on everyone. That's what really kills the party is too many guys because it just creates an uncomfortable environment for the girls.

8:54 Absolutely. When you have too many girls, it's totally fine. And it creates a healthy level of competition amongst the women, which they almost never get to experience. Because competition amongst women is very rare given our Western society because there's just so many dudes around. And there's so many guys with terrible game. It's almost never when a woman has to compete with another woman for a guy, especially in a party situation where they don't know him very well. So it totally changes the dynamics of a typical party when you have this amazing ratio.

9:26 We call it the golden ratio, which is three women to every man. And you just see insanity ensue. Right, right. Now, that kind of was my question, right? So these students will come over and they're flying to a foreign country. And obviously, as we spoke about when I came on your podcast, some of these girls don't speak English, although some do. And really, I would think a lot of these guys are kind of put in the beta position. Now, obviously, they have game already. They've ascended to the high rank of Purple Belt.

10:02 And they already have some game. But would you say that the ratio itself takes care of the fact that they are perhaps not the alpha of the group, but because they are a friend of the alpha, that's good enough for them to be fought over by these ultra-hot chicks? Yeah, and the scenarios that kind of play out are, you know, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter so much who the alpha is because the ratio is so good. And I'm very careful to select the right sort of people for the parties I do, where if anyone is glaringly worse than the other people, it still ends up with a situation where they might not get any love.

10:51 And so I make sure that there's always a good balance between the guys. And if someone isn't ready for it, they won't be able to come because it'll ruin the party. Right. Like, the thing that'll ruin the party faster than anything else is having guys who suck at the party. Oh, yeah. It's like a turd in the punch, right? It's like a turd floating in the pool. No one wants to jump in when that happens. So you have to vet. I assume you vet the guys considerably.

11:20 Make sure that they're up to snuff. Now, you know, the obvious question for the people who are listening is, well, how can I create this in my own town? And I know that social, you know, a social circle is absolutely necessary if you want to attract nines and tens. I mean, to get the hottest girls, you have to have hot girls already. It's feast or famine, have to get more, you know, all those good concepts. So if some guy's listening, let's say he's in, you know, he's in Lubbock, Texas, and he wants to go ahead and start getting himself some hotter girls, are there some tips that we can glean from what you've learned in your experience where he can create something akin to what you're experiencing right now?

12:06 Yeah, there's, you know, I've built social circles in L.A., New York, Kiev, even Budapest, even though I haven't spent much time there. Just kind of going there every summer for a couple weeks out of the year, I've been able to do that there. But, you know, really, the social circle always starts, guys are always kind of thinking about it from slightly the wrong angle because they're thinking about the girls. You know, how can I get more girls in my social circle? And what typically happens if they're trying to build a social circle is they'll end up having sex with some of the girls, and then that creates jealousy and drama, and then the social circle kind of falls apart before it can even get started.

12:51 So the main thing is you need, before girls, is you need cool guys. You need at least two guys to really have a legit social circle because with just, with you and one other guy, it's just too hard to manage a lot of people, right? So in my experience, you really need three guys to pull this sort of thing off. And everyone's going to kind of maintain a different role in the social circle. You'll have one guy who might specialize in bringing in new girls, and you'll have another guy who's kind of planning all the parties, planning the events, and managing that.

13:28 And then someone else who is, you know, hopefully the guy who has the most game is fucking the least amount of the girls in the beginning. Because the whole idea of the social circle is it's supposed to be friends, right? And when you get too much drama that starts ensuing because someone's fucking all the time, you can imagine what happens, right? People get upset and jealous and angry. Or one of the guys has to be fucking all the girls, and that's just what happens. In the case of my social circle, that's kind of what happens with my buddy who has the, you know, the Playboy connection.

14:16 And every girl knows him. It's just like, oh, yeah, he's the guy that bangs everyone. They all like to, obviously, they want to bang him. But he has a rule where he never fucks a girl more than three times. And he, you know, he's not promising any sort of relationship or there's no hope for that. It's literally just, yep, he'll fuck you three times, that's it. Now, does that, does that, like, call the drama? Or does the drama still occur, even though he's keeping it under three times?

14:47 Because obviously the three times rule is to prevent them from catching feelings. But does it work? It does. It really does. Damn, dude. He really has it. He really does have it figured out. He really does. Yeah, it's crazy. You know, and that's not really a rule that I'd want to live by because a lot of the time, you know, I develop feelings and I want to see where it goes, right? So I've had tons of little flings and even some relationships from this social circle.

15:16 But, you know, I've done a good job of really main, what happens in most social circles or when, just in most dating, right, when you hook up with a girl for the first time, usually she's not super aware of your fuckboy status. If you're just in the normal world, right? Whatever, you meet a girl, day gaming, you take her on a couple dates, you hook up and that's it. Like, she hasn't seen you with other girls. She hasn't seen you in a social circle environment. So she's not really aware of your lifestyle if you're the type of guy who's out banging a lot, right?

15:53 But when you're only using social circle and she sees all the other girls around and she's watching all of them flirt with you and she knows that, obviously, you're hooking up with most of them, it changes the mindset for people. They're like, okay, this is the sort of thing where everyone's fucking and that's okay. And it doesn't allow them to – well, it's not that it doesn't allow them, but it stops them from having the normal jealous feelings that might come up in other scenarios because that's just how it works in the social circle.

16:22 Like, in our social circle, how it works is everyone bangs Vitaly. That's just kind of what happens. And then, you know, everyone knows that I've banged almost all of them too and then there's other guys that are kind of coming and going. But that's normal and we're looked at as just crazy fuckboys, but women like that, you know? If you're unapologetically a fuckboy, it's totally okay. Yeah. And there's always that, I guess, maybe thought in the back of their mind that they could tame the player or they could tame the fuckboy and that's appealing to women.

17:02 Absolutely. Yeah. But it's totally okay. It's totally okay to be a slut and a fuckboy and there's no judgment and there's no shaming or, you know, any sort of that. The girls are all very open about it and very cool about it and that's why it all kind of works. This can be very difficult maybe in a place like wherever you said – Lubbitt, Texas, man. Lubbitt, Texas, right? Yeah. I'm sorry if it's Texas. It's more of a conservative Christian sort of area where there is a lot of slut shaming going on and there isn't a big model or party scene.

17:43 So it may not work out so great. But the bigger markets in Europe and the U.S. and even down in South America, you know, if you're in Rio or Sao Paulo, Brazil or maybe Argentina, you know, Lima, Peru, you could do something like this. There just has to be some sort of network of modeling or nightlife industry there. So you have your three guys that play the different roles. Now when you say put together the party, what does that look like on a smaller level, let's say, for the guy in Lubbitt, Texas, right?

18:26 Is it a house party? Is it a – does he promote at a club? Where is this all taking place typically? Right. Yeah, so there needs to be an ongoing – ongoing parties really. And if you space them out to like once a month or once every six weeks or even once every two weeks, then you've got a consistent sort of social circle going on, a consistent thing that people can invite friends to and they can enjoy, right? Like if you're a club promoter and you always go out on Wednesday nights to Warwick in L.A., for example, then people know that they have that social avenue to hang out at, right?

19:06 So if cute girls know that, you know, you're a cool promoter and you always bring other cool guys to the table and they can come and party for free, they'll bring their hot friends and they'll enjoy that, you know, consistency every week. And over time, it'll grow and grow and grow just like anything, right? Just like a podcast. If you keep doing it every week, right, more and more people will come and they'll – and you'll – you know, you'll have a good show after a while.

19:30 You know, if you just try to do like one event, you know, you might have some success, but you're kind of just – you know, that'll kind of be it. Right. Or if you try to do parties and they're inconsistent, you know, you won't get that same sort of compounding effect as if you're more of a staple in the scene. So we're – we do a party about once every six weeks and it might be just like a weekend, you know, where we rent a villa somewhere, we rent out a small hotel or a spa.

20:06 And, you know, we all go and it's nothing real special in terms of entertainment or anything like that. You know, we make sure there's a pool and some good places to do photo shoots and we kind of just hang out and we have, you know, house parties there. In the beginning, before we had such a huge group of people that always want to go and hang out and have fun, then it was more centered around the photo shoots, right? Girls would come obviously to be, you know, in a Playboy photo shoot or in a photo shoot for a different magazine.

20:41 It doesn't have to be Playboy. Before he had the rights to Playboy, he had the rights to shoot for a XXL, which is kind of like the maxim of Ukraine. And, you know, but here's the thing. Women love to shoot for anything. Like everyone's an Instagram model these days, right? Right. So, you know, like Liam, who you interviewed recently, he like just got into photography. And, you know, he's a self-proclaimed shitty photographer, but he understands social dynamics and he knows that girls like to be shot and he's enjoying, you know, improving at photography.

21:19 So, you know, it's not that hard to find subjects, especially in a place like, you know, in Eastern Europe, there's so many beautiful women, it's a little bit easier. But the draw of photography is typically enough. And if you combine it with a fun atmosphere where you have cool guys around and a cool party, you know, why wouldn't, you know, girls want to come back? If you've got a bunch of thirsty dudes around who are, you know, just trying to get laid, then obviously that won't really work for the long term.

21:49 Now, is the photography element always a necessary element to these parties? Like back to the love at Texas, dude. And I always try to think of our audience, right? Like dude's on his way to work right now listening to this thinking, well, how could I do this kind of thing? So get two friends. One's got game. And I assume like even day game, hey, we're having a party. Why don't you toss me your number? I'll send you details kind of thing. And you basically get a shit ton of girls to come to hopefully something that, you know, when I hear club promoter, when I hear renting out hotel, I see six figures.

22:27 You know what I'm saying? Like it could be extremely expensive. So could it be a house party? And if it were, would the photography element be a necessary element? I'm assuming no, but just trying to, you know, get down to brass tacks for our listeners, how they can pull it off without the size and resources that you might have to your access right now. Right. It could be a dinner party. I had friends who used to do dinner parties every Tuesday in San Francisco. And those worked out really well.

22:59 You know, they had a nice place. They always made sure to cook good food and people loved it. Also, if you combine it with a costume sort of theme, it becomes a lot more fun. People love costume parties, which is a great excuse to dress up and look silly and meet other people. You know, everyone loves Halloween. So there's a proof of that. So if you do like a costume party theme plus a dinner and it's a consistent thing every week, you can totally pull it off.

23:26 You know, the key is the right amount, the correct ratio, you know, and really being strict, like telling guys, listen, you cannot invite another guy. I don't care who he is. Yeah. Right. You know, you can ask me first. But and if you don't come with a girl, you know, you're probably not going to come back. Right. And and sorry, that's kind of the deal. And obviously you have to bring whatever, you know, you can bring to to make sure we have enough, you know, stuff at the party.

23:58 From a cost perspective, you know, surprisingly, it's really not that much more expensive than going on a bunch of dates. Right. Which isn't necessarily cheap either. But if you pool your resources with you and a couple other guys and you're, you know, having a house party or, you know, you're not going to a nightclub or an expensive restaurant. You know, it's not that expensive to get a bunch of booze and maybe some food and cook and have a bunch of girls over. It's surprisingly inexpensive compared to going to a restaurant.

24:32 Yeah. Or going to a nightclub. Yeah. So it can be done. The key is obviously finding the girls and making them feel comfortable and making sure that the party goes off well. And you have the right ratio and you have other guys at the party who are cool. Right. Right. Yeah. And then the consistency of doing it, you know, week in and week out because that's really where it's built. Without the consistency, you have nothing. Okay. Right. You just have a cool party once or twice.

25:05 But having the consistency is really what, you know, that's the special sauce. Right. Right. And this is actually what you just explained, which of course is the super toned down version of what you're doing and which is more realistic to probably most of our listeners. It's what I often suggest to my clients is, look, have like a potluck slash barbecue slash dinner party every week on Wednesday at your house. And a guy can come only if he brings two girls and obviously have the girl ratio higher than the guy ratio.

25:39 And it works really well for my students, especially hard cases, you know, that even virgins will lose their virginity really quickly when they deploy this technique because it just stacks all the cards in your favor. You know, it just makes you look like the alpha, which is so important. And like you said, you know, the girls are fighting over you. And I mean, if you have girls fighting over you, that builds attraction on its own. You almost have to do nothing and they're going to get attracted just because, you know, they want to outdo one another.

26:09 So it just puts the perfect dynamic. And it's like, why wouldn't you, you know, put the cards in your favor anytime you can? You know, it's like one of the reasons the U.S. military is so successful is because they invade at night when everyone's sleeping. They have night vision. They know what they're doing. And it's just all the cards are stacked in their favor. So, of course, we're going to kill Bin Laden. You know what I mean? It's like, come on, bro. Like, we've got everything set up.

26:35 So it just, that's really what you're doing. And it's just a smart way to do it. It's just a smart way to market yourself. Now, certainly cold approach. I still teach that and I still think it's important. And I still do it because that really sharpens your game and it keeps you right on point. And, you know, certainly relying on things that are easier can make your game weaker. In some ways, it can help your game. But I think cold approach is always great. So let's talk about how to build the pipeline.

27:05 Do you just do it through cold approach or do you say, hey, toss me your Instagram? And then they see your Instagram and it's like all this high value shit's going on. Where do you, like, deploy pre-selection, social game, and elements like that in order to attract new prospects? Yeah, so cold approach is always great. You know, that's, I love cold approach because it sharpens your skills. And it's the best thing you can do to not just meet women, but to also improve your social skills and improve your game.

27:38 So I've always been a huge fan of day game. The girl I'm kind of dating now, I actually met her through day game, even though I've got this crazy social circle and I meet a gazillion women, you know, through that. Like, I've literally done two day game approaches in, like, the last, I don't know, six months. And one of them is my girlfriend now. What did you say? What did you open her with? The old, hey, I noticed this about you bit? Or what did you say?

28:05 No, see, I have a dog, and he's an amazing wingman. Yeah, getting a dog is, like, the ultimate hack, right? Yeah, dude, you know what's even better than that? Not to interrupt you, but my buddy had a baby pig. Oh, Jesus. Girl magnet, dude. And no guys would come over because they're like, dude, that's gay, a fucking pig. But all the girls would come over, and we would walk that little pig on the beach in Newport, and it was just girl after girl after girl. So get a baby pig, boys.

28:33 You'll get all the girls. There you go. Or just rent one for a day. You'll rent a pig. We just start a rent-a-pig business, bro. Get laid with a pig. Who would have thought? No, but yeah, he was just kind of standing there, and she's, you know, big smile at him, and wet against his tail, and then she walked away. And I was like, goddamn, she was hot. Fuck, I haven't done a day-game approach in months. All right, let's go. So then I just chased her down and, you know, said something corny like, hey, my dog, you know, noticed that, you know, I should probably stop you and try to hit on you.

29:09 And we just kind of went from there. You know, the words really don't really matter, especially here, because girls don't even speak very good English. A lot of the time, I'll just walk up, and I'll use kind of sign language, and it's like, you, me. And I'll kind of make like a heart with my hands. Like, we fall in love, let's get coffee, right? I like that, dude. But yeah, cold approach is great, and it's important to invite them on. So what you would do for kind of like the cold, the progression, if you meet a girl, is I would meet her for coffee, just for a really short 15, 30-minute date, just to get to know her a little bit.

29:56 Make her feel comfortable. And after that, rather than, you know, and just literally 15, 30 minutes, grab a coffee, chit-chat a bit. You know, it's probably just going to be surface-level fluff conversation for the most part. And then I'm out, which shows that, you know, I'm not super needy or thirsty. I'm not trying to bang her on the first date. I'm busy. I've got other shit going on, right? So I'm not really investing much in this interaction, which shows non-neediness and, you know, attractive quality. And then I'll invite her to an event after that.

30:28 And since she feels comfortable with me and she probably likes me, she'll, of course, want to come, and I'll tell her to bring her friend. And typically she will since she won't know anyone else, so she's probably not going to show up alone. So that really helps the ratio. So if you ask her to show up to an event the very first time you meet her, then you just kind of look a little, you know, try-hard or thirsty or, like, you really need girls to come to an event.

30:50 And women can – the hot ones can usually sniff you out for the fraud that you are, you know, if you're just trying to pad the numbers. Right. So that's the approach I take when it comes to cold approach. You can kind of do the same thing with online dating too. Meet a girl on Tinder or Bumble or whatever. Yeah. Another great resource is Seeking Arrangements. And it's now called Seeking. But this is, like, a kind of special secret undercover weapon I've had for over a year now.

31:20 Basically, Seeking is a sugar daddy site. And there's other sites like that too where girls are looking. Either there's pros on there or hookers or whatever, which I'm trying to stay away from or weed them out. But there's a lot of girls on there who just want to travel and party or who are looking for some sort of, like, monthly allowance. So I won't even, you know, have the conversation about paying a girl an allowance or anything like that. You know, I'm not old enough and with saggy enough balls to have to worry about that shit.

31:47 Thank God. But for older guys who are really struggling, that can be a good resource if you want to hook up with younger, hotter chicks. And the great thing about Seeking is that girls on Seeking are typically way hotter than girls on other online dating sites. Now, is this the United States or is this only in Ukraine? It's worldwide. Oh, is it? Okay, okay. It's mainly the U.S. really for Seeking. And it's Seeking.com? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And my profile on Seeking will be just basically tons of social proof.

32:21 Me with girls, me at parties. It shows my lifestyle and my social circle. And then when girls message me, I'm like, hey, I'm, you know, I'm the type of guy, we throw events and parties all the time. I'm not looking to pay for meets or sponsor any girls or pay allowances. But if you want to come to crazy parties, you know, we'll happily, you know, have you there for free and even pay your way if you want. And this is, you know, something that's happening all over the place.

32:48 You know, whenever you go to Ibiza or Mykonos or places with crazy parties, you know, girls are almost always kind of being – they're never being paid to be there, right, unless they're, like, working for the venue or something like that. But, you know, a group of guys are picking up the cost of all the girls coming and, you know, that's – there's, you know, there's, like, these girls who are just professional party girls, really, who just kind of fly around and different guys fly them around to different parties throughout the year.

33:18 Kind of like the Burning Man circuit, you know, all those hot girls at Burning Man, they didn't fucking pay for their tickets. They didn't get there on their own, you know, some dude paid, right? Yeah. Or a group of guys pooled their resources and paid. God, can you imagine that lifestyle, man, just getting flown around to parties just because of the way you look? I mean – I know. I mean, these are all my friends here. These girls, you know, it's crazy. Do they have any – do they – I mean, are there some good ones in there or are they – you know, oftentimes hot girls are just – god damn, man, they don't got a lot upstairs.

33:48 A lot of them don't. A lot of them don't. Some of them do. But, you know, typically the ones with more upstairs, they won't really do that for very long, right? They might go to a few events here or there, but then they realize that it's, you know, a little bit surface level and they're not really doing anything to further their life, right? Besides going to parties and hooking up and probably indulging in too many drugs and feeling bad about themselves. Yeah. So it's a high turnover of girls.

34:14 Yeah, I bet. I bet. But that's kind of good in the same way because then it, like, alleviates the drama in a lot of ways. Yeah. I mean, if you're just looking to party and rage and hook up, like, it's great. Yeah. So it can be a fun sort of summer experience, you know? Yeah, yeah. Good stuff, man. So – and when building that pipeline, I love the idea of getting coffee first. That's actually nothing – I never suggested that to my clients and I think that's a really good suggestion because it builds comfort.

34:51 And like you said, you're not trying to close them on anything. You show that you're not needy, don't care about outcome, and that you're a down-to-earth guy who's just, you know, friendly and safe. So they feel comfortable to show up at your party. Have you ever had a woman bring a guy with her? Yeah. That's something that's kind of annoying and hard to – Yeah, you can say, hey, bring your girlfriend. Hard to guard against. Yeah. Right. Because you don't want to be a dick and say no, right?

35:19 Because then she probably, you know, won't come back. But I've had that go extremely well, actually. I can think of an example just a few months ago. This girl saw my Instagram and kind of just randomly messaged me on there, which happens, you know, quite more frequently now than it did in the past. And she's like, oh, you look cool. You have a cool Instagram. Like, let's hang out. And I'm like, wow, this chick's hot. She's got 100,000 followers. Like, she's certainly not in a situation where she's thirstier, looking for more attention, right?

35:50 But my Instagram kind of stood out to her because, you know, of all the crazy shit on there. Yeah. And I invited her to a private party that we were hosting. And she asked me, she's like, hey, do you mind if I bring a girl and a guy? And at first I was like, oh, fuck. What am I going to do? I don't really, you know, I don't want to tell her no because then she probably will just think I'm a dick and won't come. Won't come, yeah.

36:13 So, you know, I said, yeah, no problem. Just, you know, if you can tell the guy that he's going to have to chip in in the costs because I explained to her, I'm like, basically what we do to have these parties is all the guys equally share in the costs. Obviously, the girls don't pay. So as long as he's down to chip in and she goes, yeah, sure, no problem. And the guy turned out to be a fucking amazing dude. And now we're really good friends and it's really hard to meet guys who are great for this sort of thing.

36:41 So, yeah, so it can turn out in your favor. And as long as you kind of set the ground rules before and you make sure that you're doing a good job of vetting the girls, they'll usually bring cool guys because girls get it. Right. Yeah, especially hot girls. They are often surrounded by cool guys because the needy guys weed themselves out pretty quickly, friend zone. Then they, you know, cry and they masturbate in a puddle of their own tears and then they're out the next day.

37:10 Exactly. And he was banging the girl, of course, which was totally fine because I ended up banging her that night and he ended up banging one of my friends. So, you know, we had the instant, you know, whatever you call that, you know, what's the phrase when you're, you and another guy bang the same girl? Eskimo brothers. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that one. So, dude, so it seems like a lot of these people kind of have those loose morals where they're not like all tripping out about being Eskimo brothers because as much as I like you, Robbie, being your Eskimo brother, we still haven't gotten to that level yet.

37:50 You know, that I'm comfortable with. So, it seems like to come to these types of parties, at least the ones that you're kind of doing, it seems like most people are pretty chill about it. There doesn't seem to be a lot of drama that I'm hearing about, which surprises me, frankly. Yeah, you know, it is surprisingly chill, and I really go out of my way to create that environment because the reason that makes these parties so much fun, and, you know, typically, you know, they've turned into wild, crazy, you know, shit you can think of, is because no one is really jealous and everyone knows that everyone's probably hooked up with everyone or everyone will hook up with everyone, and that's okay.

38:33 Yeah. And that's encouraged, you know? Okay. So, before I'll do, you know, some of our more exclusive, bigger parties, like we've rented, you know, insane yachts and done trips to the Maldives and south of France, you know, I'll have, like, a call with all the guys coming. I'm like, listen, like, we are encouraging everyone to hook up with everyone, and we will even have, like, in the past, we've even had a rule where if you hook up with a girl, it's encouraged to try to get someone else to hook up with her the next day, right?

39:05 Because at the beginning of the trip, like, if you're on a, if you're in this sort of party, you know, crazy sort of experience, and I've had, you know, tons of experience in lifestyle events and swingers parties and sex parties in the past, just, you know, living in LA. Like, let's say you're at this crazy party with a bunch of Playboy models, and the first day you hook up with, you know, whatever, a girl, and then you end up only hooking up with her for the rest of the time.

39:35 And then odds are, you know, is that relationship really going to last? No, usually not. You're going to think back, like, damn, I kind of regret that I just, you know, I was at this buffet, and I only tried the lobster, right? The lobster was great, right? But, damn, they had rock shrimp there and filet mignon and Kobe. What the fuck? Great fucking analogy, dude. Oh, my God, dude. That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, it's encouraged to, you know, sample the buffet before you decide what your favorite dish is.

40:07 And then you imagine, like, your homie, like, you both stick your fork into the filet mignon, and then you're like, oh, sorry, bro. No, go ahead. No, no, you. Go ahead. Okay, I'll go. I'll get it tonight, and you get it tomorrow. Yeah, it sounds good, bro. Here, get the lobster. You know, the girls are usually the ones picking, you know? Right. And, you know, if she bangs you and she only wants to bang you after that, obviously, you did a good job. Yeah. And most of the time, you know, she probably won't want to bang your friend.

40:39 But if she does, then that's just some good feedback. Maybe you could have been better. It is what it is, man. Good stuff, dude. Well, brother, I really respect how you've been able to create this lifestyle. I mean, literally, for everybody listening, you know, you are basically living their dream, every guy's dream, at least on some level. So, congratulations to you, and, you know, that's really awesome what you've been able to do. And thank you so much for sharing this with us. Would you mind sharing your Instagram, or would you rather just keep that between you and I?

41:13 No, I'm happy to share it. Yeah, because I'm sure our guys are curious. Yeah, it's just Robbie, R-O-B-B-I-E, underscore, Kramer, K-R-A-M-E-R, just my name. Okay. So, Robbie, underscore, Kramer. Okay. And, yeah, you can – I used to have more kind of insane-o pictures up there. Yeah. I archived some of them, and sometimes I, you know, put them back into the feed for a little while. But you'll get a pretty good idea of what's going on by checking out my Instagram. Yeah, yeah. Last time I looked, I was like, yeah, damn, dude.

41:46 It's like Dan Bilzerian's page. Yeah, I've had a lot of people comment and message me throughout the last, you know, year and a half being like, what are you, the Ukrainian Dan Bilzerian and shit like that? You should be like, yep, that's exactly what I am, trying hard to do it. Cool, and he can be – Well, you know, it's funny. Really, I was – like, 2018 was just so insane, and I kind of – I did that so much, I'm almost kind of burned out on it now.

42:13 And I think that's, you know, kind of to be expected. It was surprising. I never thought I could get tired of, you know, going to crazy parties and hooking up with a gazillion chicks and all the fun and nonsense that comes with that. But it does have an effect on your business and on your health if you're raging too much, right? And so even though 2018 for me was like a culmination of, you know, over 10 years of game and development, I definitely – like, my business took quite a big hit because I just basically stopped working.

42:49 Oh, damn. So, you know, you got to be careful when you – you know, you've got health, wealth, and relationships kind of like those three pillars. Yeah. And if you focus too much on any one of them, the other two can fall apart. Yep, absolutely. Yeah, most guys learn that lesson the hard way, but you learned it kind of the great way. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, most times lessons like that come with pain, but it came with joy with you, so. And I knew that would happen.

43:15 I knew – and luckily, I've got passive income streams and real estate investments and stuff like that. So it wasn't like a big deal, but it's – just with my coaching business, you know, but it was great though because I have – now I kind of have a service that most other people aren't offering. So I'm kind of building that into the equation now. But, you know, it's important to know, like, if you're going to build a social circle and you're going to invest a lot of time in this, it is an investment.

43:42 And it's like farming versus hunting. I heard what people say. You know, you can be a hunter. You can go out and, you know, snipe a few. I like that analogy, dude. Yeah, I feel you on that for sure. And, you know, hunting doesn't take a whole lot of time. You can go out for a night and pull a girl and, you know, you can feed yourself, you know, feed your emotional need for sex and connection or whatever, you know, for a week or two and then go back to whatever you're doing.

44:09 But if you're farming, you have constant crops available. You have constant food at your disposal. You know, it's always kind of that buffet if you need it. But it takes ongoing work and commitment to have that, you know, those resources available to you. Damn, bro. Between that and the buffet analogy, you just killed it tonight on the analogies, dog. Too much analogy game on point. On point, dude. Too much analogy. Cool, man. Well, listen, this has been an awesome interview. And, again, you can find Robbie Kramer at innerconfidence.com.

44:44 Innerconfidence.com. And he does have an awesome podcast. It's called The Leverage Podcast. Please check that out as well. I was recently a guest on that and we really hit it off. Didn't know until we started talking on the podcast that we're from basically the same city, which is pretty crazy being it that I now live in Colorado and you're in Ukraine. But, yeah, that was a good one, man. So, again, guys, innerconfidence.com. And that's where they do the white belt to black belt series, right?

45:10 And then once they're a purple belt, they can come out to Ukraine. If they're cool enough, if they make the cut, then they can potentially come out to Ukraine and live the lifestyle that literally every guy dreams of. It's there for the taking. Fantastic, man. Yeah, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah, dude. Congratulations, brother. Like, smack yourself on the ass. You're a champion. All right, brother. Thanks again, man. We'll talk soon. All right. Talk later.

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