5 Reasons Why MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is a TERRIBLE IDEA

0:00 Welcome to the Unapologetic Man Podcast. The only podcast that's all about self-improvement, confidence, success, women, and being a man without making any apologies for it. What is up, gentlemen? Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the UMP. I really do appreciate you joining me. If this is your first time listening, welcome. You may have clicked on this because you were searching for MGTOW, which, for those of you who don't know, stands for Men Going Their Own Way. Now, this is a philosophy that has since turned into a movement of basically, as I understand it, of men going their own way, which is to work on themselves, improve their lives, but really renunciate women, renunciate dating, the idea of girlfriends, the idea of marriage and family.

0:53 And with that part of it, I disagree. So what I want to talk about in this podcast is some of the reasons why men, perhaps you listening, as well as me in the past, get frustrated with women, get frustrated with, quote unquote, the game. And we feel that the rules are set against us because we were either born a certain way, we don't have attractive attributes, or we feel that women, feminism in particular, is evil and they're just out to screw us. And a lot of us guys have been through a lot of pain because of women or seemingly because of women.

1:26 And because of that, we say, you know what? Fuck this. I'm not going to play this game. I'm just going to be alone. I'm going to work on my life. And there are certain things about that that I do agree with, but there's also a huge part of it that I completely disagree with. And that's why I think the general premise, the general principle of MGTOW is a mistake. I do believe a big part of it, they hit the nail on the head. They should definitely do a certain part of it.

1:50 But the other part of it I disagree with, so I'm going to get into that in this podcast. As a lot of you know, and for those of you who don't know, I am a dating coach. I teach you how to get women, but get women in a way where you're not going to get screwed over, where you maintain the, quote unquote, the power in the relationship so that you can choose from abundance, so you don't put yourself out there until you know you're safe to do so, until she's emotionally invested.

2:14 Because look, this game is, you know, it's playing with fire, man. It really is. And like you, I've been burned and it's quite easy to get burned in this game. But as I'm going to talk about, you know, when you master the game, then you can master the outcome. So I'm going to get into that in a second. But if you've been going through life and you subscribe to this MGTOW thing, or even if you didn't even know what it was and you want to subscribe to it, or more likely you've had thoughts like this where you can't attract women, you've had nothing but frustrating experiences with women and you finally want to get this part of your life settled where you can be in control rather than just being at the whims of what women do and not understanding how their attraction works, not understanding why you're getting blown out all the time, getting put in the friend zone, being the nicest guy ever and getting basically stepped on like a floor mat because of it.

3:07 If you want to really understand the rules of this game and learn how to master it so that you can have control over your destiny and get a woman who is not only high quality, but it also extremely attractive, a good person with a good heart. And yes, brothers, they are out there. I have one of them myself, and I've met many of them. I have friends who are females who are great women too. Then hit me up, man. Let's get on a free one-on-one breakthrough session.

3:30 Go to my website, coachmarksing.com, click on coaching, fill in the application, submit it, and then you and I will get on that call together. But one other thing I wanted to say is listen to this first, maybe even listen to some of my other podcasts, and do me a favor. Before you leave me a bad review or send me an email full of hate, just listen to what I have to say. Because brother, I was the biggest woman hater, MGTOW follower that ever existed before I got this part of my life settled.

3:59 And I realized some things about human psychology, about what we need as men, that made me understand that we actually need women in our lives. And I'm going to get into that in a second. So, let me first talk about MGTOW and exactly what it is and what this philosophy started as and kind of what it's turned into as far as a movement. Then I'm going to talk about what I agree about it. And then finally, I'm going to talk about what I disagree about it and why psychologically and quite anthropologically, in my opinion, it's the wrong approach.

4:28 So, MGTOW means men go in their own way. And what that basically means is, you know what, fuck women. They're crazy. They're psychos. I'll never figure them out. They don't respect me. They don't appreciate me. They screw me over. And for some guys, feminism has a lot of negative connotations in their mind. So, they're like, yo, I'm going to go my own way. I'm going to work on my own life. I'm going to try to improve myself. I'm going to make money. I'm going to get ripped.

4:54 I'm just going to be a fucking champion. But like, I don't need this girl in my life because she's just going to ruin it, right? Anything I create, anything that I am, this girl is going to come in and like Hurricane Ashley, right? It's just going to come through and just blow out my entire life. And believe me, I've been there. I've been there. I used to have a lot of resentment towards women. But here's the thing is, I agree with the self-development part. Yeah, bro, you should go your own way.

5:14 Don't let society tell you what you should do. Don't try to fit into a certain mold. Be your own fucking man. I say all the time, follow your own lead. I love that quote, follow your own lead. And I've thought that my entire life and I've done that my entire life. Like I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I don't subscribe to certain philosophies. I have my own attitudes. I do what the fuck I want to do. And I make no apologies for it because that's who I am.

5:38 And that's why this is called the Unapologetic Man Podcast. So, dude, I completely agree with that. Better yourself. Have your own reality. Have your own frame. Believe in yourself. Know that you're a champion. You're a man. Masculine energy does what the fuck it wants. It makes no apologies for it. And it gets shit done. I completely agree with that. So, that's one part of MGTOW that I'm like, hell yeah, brother. Get after it. Right? Self-improvement. Let's do this. Let's get to our deathbed, patting ourselves on the back and drawing our last breath as warriors, knowing that we left nothing on the table and we die with the full heart.

6:16 I'm 100% on board with that. But as you can probably tell, I'm not on board with the getting rid of women part. Okay. Here's why. Okay. So, you're born into this world as, let's make the comparison to a carburetor. Okay. A carburetor needs a very special mixture of gasoline and air in order for the engine to operate properly. Right? Well, you're born into this world and you don't have a choice as to the fact as to what's going to make you healthy. You need air. You need food.

6:45 You need water. You need sleep. There's just certain things that are non-negotiable. Right? It's like you absolutely need it for your health. Well, one of those things that you need is other people and more specifically, we need women as men. Okay. We actually need that. There are chemicals in our brain that are released when we pair bond with a woman, when we have a family, when we have a child, that's absolutely essential for your health. You can still survive without it, but you're not going to be healthy.

7:17 And I'm telling you, you will not be happy. You may pretend that you're happy. You may tell yourself you're happy, but you and I both know it just feels like shit when you're alone. And believe me, this is coming from a person who very much enjoys his own company. I love to spend weeks alone sometimes in the wilderness. I love to be alone. I enjoy my own company, but I know that I need women in my life because there's that energy that I need to get as a man.

7:44 I am one side of a dualistic energy matrix, feminine and masculine. And the feminine needs the masculine, just like the masculine needs the feminine. And this is what's responsible for male-female attraction. It's a draw like a magnet to the opposite energy polarity. In fact, if we want to get spiritual, sex with a woman is the closest thing you'll ever get to enlightenment on the physical plane because it's two parts of a complete energy that are finally uniting. And we may even say that sex is synergistic energy exchange, but I get off topic.

8:19 Essentially, what I'm saying is you have chemicals in your brain that need to get released so that you're healthy, vibrant, at peace, and you feel like you have a fulfilled life. And that includes having a woman and, in my opinion, having kids. Having kids is a major part of it. You were put on this world with a penis in order to create children. Like, think about that. Your job as a man, like your primary job, is to procreate. That's how the human species continue to proliferate.

8:49 And that's the basic anthropological point of why we're here, is to procreate. And we need to do that with a woman. Woman needs a man to do it. Men need women to do it. We are supposed to be together. There are studies that show that when you're alone, and I've worked with many men who are alone and absolutely miserable, is the equivalent of smoking. And don't quote me on this. I think it's about 10 cigarettes a day. That's how debilitating it is when you are lonely. And this MGTOW movement is basically telling men, you'll be alone, as far as, like, women are concerned.

9:22 Of course, it's a very strong bond between other men. And again, I have to say, the self-improvement part, I'm all about that. That's also a necessary part of being healthy. So they freaking cracked the nail on the head on that one. But it's the renunciation of women that I disagree with because, like that carburetor, we need that female energy. We need it. And when you don't have it, you are literally compromising your health. They've done studies on longevity, which means people who grow very old. What is the one persistent factor that makes people have extremely long lives?

9:58 It's having a family. It's having people around you. It's other people. It's the tribe. Think about it, brother. We come from tribal communities. We are designed as a social species. And if we want to take this analogy even further, we're almost like a super organism that works together and we need other people. You ever seen that show Alone? I think it's on the Discovery Channel where they put people out alone in the wilderness. People can't last for more than, and again, don't quote me on numbers, bro.

10:25 I have a horrible memory. But I think, like, 70-something days is the maximum people can go. And it's not necessarily because they're starving, but they are, but it's because they're lonely. They need other people. We need other people in our lives, and women are such an integral part of that. So what is the answer? Look, I came across this same question. I don't understand women. I continue to get blown out. I've been getting rejected. My fucking first girlfriend cheated on me, and I heard her doing it, having sex with another dude in her dorm room.

10:55 And this chick I was in love with, bro. I would have died for this woman, and she fucking cheated on me. And so I got to the point where I was like, dude, I'm not going to fuck with this. I don't want to deal with these women. They're insane. I don't know how to attract them. I don't know what the game is. But, you know, I thought about it, and I thought about being alone, and I was alone for a while. And I said, you know what?

11:14 I'm in this game. I feel this strong attraction towards women. I know it's what I want. And I'm seeing my friends pulling girls left and right. Can I learn this? So I got on the internet just like you are, and I figured out you can actually learn this because it's a skill set, boys. It's a skill set. And I'll tell you, part of improving yourself, which is a great part of MGTOW, like I've said, part of that will manifest into women being more attracted to you.

11:40 And then when you get the skill set to understand how attraction works, to understand why you've been putting the friends on in the past, why being Mr. Nice Guy has never worked for you. Because I know most of you dudes are really nice, and you treat women like gold, and you've been stomped on because of it, and you're pissed. You've got red pill rage, as they call it. You're pissed, and I get that. But see, life is a game, and we don't get to make the rules.

12:03 We don't get to make the game. We were born into this world, and we're playing a game to which rules, to which objective we're not allowed to choose. So the only thing we can do is try to master the game so that it doesn't have control over us, but we have control over it. You know, there was this one MGTOW guy. I saw it a couple years ago. He went out on the street with a sign that said, I'm MGTOW. Men go in their own way.

12:25 I don't need women. Okay, why would this guy go out onto the street with a sign that said that? Well, first of all, he strongly believed in the concept. Of course, I'll give that to him. But really, and you know this is true just as much as I do, he wanted attention. He wanted a beautiful girl to come up to him and say, no, no, no, you need women, and caress him and tell him it's going to be okay, and fall in love with them, and then he would be happy for the rest of his life.

12:49 He would never admit that, but you and I both know that's exactly why he did it. He wouldn't go out onto the street with this sign that said, I'm MGTOW. I don't need women, unless he wanted attention, unless he wanted validation. You know, the way I see that aspect of this MGTOW thing is like a little kid who gets his toy taken from him. He goes into the corner, folds his arms in front of him, and pouts and says, I don't want to play anyway. I didn't want it anyway.

13:13 But what is that? It's anger. And what is anger? It's a feminine energy. These guys who are renunciating women are actually becoming more like women by refusing to play the game. What does the masculine man do? He's solution-oriented. He says, you know what? This is a tough game. I don't understand the rules right now, but I'm going to fucking figure it out, and I'm going to master it so that it doesn't have control over me anymore. But instead, I get control over it. Now, one other thing I want to say about why men do this, okay, is as an NLP coach, I work very much on the premise that your programs are developed in the first seven years of life.

13:51 Okay? So what happens between you and your parents in the first seven years of life is extremely important. There's programs implanted, there's traumas that occur, and there are things that happen to men, and it happened to me too, that make us more prone to subscribing to this men-go-in-their-own-way concept. Let me explain. So when a boy is young, he needs a certain amount of validation and attention in order for him to develop into a healthy and functional full-grown adult. But what happens, and this happens to me, as I'm sure it's happened to a lot of you, is we're deprived of certain things in our life that make us basically say, well, I can't count on that person, right?

14:30 So you're riding your skateboard, and you break your arm, and your mom comes over, and she doesn't give you the right kind of attention that you think you should get from her, and there you are alone, seemingly. And you say to yourself in that critical developmental moment, you know what? I can't count on anybody. I'm going to do this myself. And this, boys, is one of the biggest reasons men subscribe to this, and this is one of the biggest flaws you will ever come to in your entire life, and I want you to listen very closely.

14:59 If you think you can't count on other people, if you think people can't be trusted, if you believe that you're going to get to the top without anybody else's help, you are living a delusion. And I'm saying this to myself just as much as I'm saying it to you because I was the epitome of this thought pattern that, you know what? Other people can't be trusted. My best friend just stabbed me in the back. That girl just cheated on me. Every time I get a job, it's always some bullshit they didn't tell me about.

15:27 Feminism has it out for me. I'm a man. I'm fucking screwed. So fuck everybody. I'm going to go my own way. I'm telling you, that is the core delusion that leads to loneliness, unhappiness, and as I talked about, poor health. We have to understand that people have to be trusted in order for us to be healthy. So what happens is these men, particularly men who are really subscribed to this movement, like that dude that went on in the street with his street sign, they subscribe to the fact that I can't count on other people.

15:56 So they go their own way. Because we all know I can definitely count on myself. You can definitely count on yourself. So why the fuck would I count on anybody else? Well, the reason is, is because you have to. This is literally sewn into the fabric of this life that we are living. It's literally part of the rules that we need other people. And I believe, different conversation, I believe people are sometimes untrustworthy for a very good reason. But the way you make a woman trustworthy, I'm not going to launch into a whole tangent here because many of you know what I'm going to say.

16:28 The way you make a woman trustworthy and a woman loyal and a woman the best wife you'll ever have is by making her fall deeply in love with you by doing two things. Becoming the best man you can be, which you MGTOW guys are doing. And secondly, learning the rules for why we've been rejected in the past and how to keep her interested and how to keep the power in the relationship. Because you as the man have to have the power, not because of any power trip reason, but because the only way she's going to stay attracted to you, the only way there's going to be that magnetic sexual polarity is if the man is in the power, which in other words mean in the masculine role, and the woman is in the follower role, which means she's highly in her feminine.

17:13 So what I'm basically saying is, look, you do two or a MGTOW, okay, you got half of the equation correct, but I'm urging you to take into consideration what I just said. Do not renunciate women, brother. That is a gigantic fucking mistake, a gigantic mistake. You need a woman in your life. And in my opinion, having children is one of the most rewarding dopamine-filling experiences you could ever have, like the serotonin hits that you get. I was just upstairs with my two-year-old daughter, and she was laying on my chest, and I was like, give me kisses, and she was laughing and trying to avoid me and not letting me kiss her.

17:48 And it was like the best moment of my day, like literally the best moment of my day. And it was literally an experience that came from me deciding that, no, no, no, no, Mark, you cannot go your own way. You need women in your life. You need to have a family. This is the secret to happiness and longevity. I don't know about you, like you may be sitting there with your arms crossed like that kid in the corner analogy that I gave and said, no, fuck you, man.

18:12 I don't need that. I don't need that, bro. I don't. I'm happy. I swear I'm happy. Well, let me ask you about the energy that's behind that thought. Can you honestly tell me that there's peace, joy, and enthusiasm behind that thought that you don't need these chicks? You may be lying to yourself and saying that there is, but I guarantee you, I guarantee you there isn't. No man has ever been completely alone for his entire life and died completely fulfilled. You know, even Arnold Schwarzenegger, which arguably is one of the most successful human beings this world has ever seen.

18:43 I mean, look at all the shit that guy has done. He even said, don't ever call me a self-made man. You can call me anything you want. Just don't call me a self-made man. He's like, people were the reason I got to where I am. And that includes women, guys. That includes women. And I feel the same way. You know, I got my woman, Marissa, behind me. She's made me so much better. She amplifies what I am as a man because she brings that opposite energy polarity of femininity into my life.

19:10 And then we have my daughter, Lucia. She adds that as well. I've never been happier. I've never been happier. And I guarantee you, I'm way happier than I was when I was alone, bitter, saying, I'm going to go my own way. I don't need women. Let me just work on myself. So that's what I want you to take from this, boys, is, yeah, work on yourself. Always work on yourself. Be unapologetic for who you are. And if a girl doesn't like it, be like, dude, whatever.

19:33 Beat it. Like, I'm not going to even hang out with you if you don't like it. And listen, a lot of what I teach goes into that. A lot of what I teach is you are not to be fucked with. You are the champion. You are the prize. Your life is first, bro. Your life is first. But you cannot renunciate the other half of that equation, which is women. So what I teach guys to do is to get quantity. Get tons of women into your lives.

19:55 Be talking to tons of girls. And then from that comes quality. And there are quality women out there. Not every single woman is out to get you. Are you out to get women? Are you out to screw over women? I mean, maybe some of you are. But the vast majority, you aren't. The vast majority, you're a good fucking dudes. And there are women just like that. Your exact clone in woman form is out there, bro. And she's not going to screw you over. She's probably scared just like you are.

20:19 And there's some women going their own way. And this is what we have to do, boys, is we have to accept that we need each other and figure out the way to make it healthy, figure out the way to keep her interested, keep her invested so that she doesn't have sex with another dude in her dorm room while you're listening. And by the way, boys, that was my fault. That was my fault because I did all these beta cuck, needy ass, just horrible things as far as attraction is concerned.

20:44 And I don't blame her for doing what she did. I really don't because I was a needy beta cuck. I mean, big time. Now, like my current girl would never cheat on me because I understand the rules. I've become the best man I possibly can be. And I continue to do so. And she respects me for it. I have no worries that she's going to cheat on me. Even if she's out with a super amazing guy, I'm like totally not worried about it because I'm secure in myself.

21:10 I've worked on myself. I understand the rules of attraction. And I want to teach that to you guys. You MGTOW boys, while you hear this, I suggest to you as a guy who's been there is to put that aside, bro. Like take the part of it where you work on yourself, but figure out women. You know, you got to play this game. It just is absolutely necessary. If you don't play the game, you're going to suffer the consequences. It's like refusing to eat food. Like, oh, I don't like eating food because it gives me bad breath and it makes me poo.

21:36 And I hate to poo. So, nope, I'm not going to eat food. What's going to happen? You're going to die a horrible, horrible death. Well, it's basically the same thing when you renunciate women, except the death is slower and probably more painful. So, look, you're in the game. Let me teach you the rules, bro. I'm telling you, anybody, any fucking guy who's listening, even you, brother, can master this and get exceptionally good with women where you have choice. And you can pick from abundance, not scarcity.

22:04 You can choose rather than being chosen. And all the shit that's happened to you in the past with women, you will thwart that before it even starts to manifest. Because I guarantee you a big part of it was your fault. I don't even need to know what happened, but a part of it was your fault. Not all of it, but a part of it. I at least take responsibility for being cheated on, but whatever happened to you, and I know some bullshits happened to you. I know some of you guys listening are like, Mark, you have no idea.

22:31 Yes, I do have an idea. And you teach people how to treat you. You teach people how to treat you. So, what happened to you if you were victimized, part of that was your fault. Let me teach you the rules. Let me teach you how attraction works. Let me reprogram your brain so you can start trusting again and start having healthy relationships. Because I'm telling you, a relationship with a woman, a good relationship is one of the most rewarding things this life has to offer. And man, you're only here for a short time, bro.

22:59 Before we know it, both you and I are going to be ashes and dust. So, let's enjoy it. Let's indulge in it. Let's be happy and stop being that bitter child hiding in the corner with his arms crossed saying, no, I don't want to play this game. You're in the game, bro. You have no choice. You're in the game. So, let's master it. If you want to hit me up, if you want to get on a call with me, go to coachmarkzing.com, click on coaching, fill in the super short application, hit submit.

23:24 Watch the video that's on the next page of me explaining kind of what the coaching is going to entail. And then I'll send you my schedule. We'll get on that call together and see if you're a good fit for my three-month coaching program. I've taken on virgins. I've taken on newly divorced dudes who were 25 years married and just got divorced. And I get them results because I know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm very good at it. Reprogram your brain. I teach you the rules. It's like you put me on a cricket field.

23:50 I don't know the rules of that thing. I'm going to be a complete sea bass, but when you know the rules to a game, you can master it. And that's all this is. That's all this is. You want to get good with women? I'm your dude. Hit me up. Let's see if we click. And if we do, trust me, bro, that MGTOW thing is going to be an idea of the past. So, that's it for me, boys. I do appreciate you listening. I drop podcasts on Mondays and Thursdays, so make sure to stay tuned for the next one.

24:12 And until then, I will see you in the next episode. I'll see you in the next episode.

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